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Old 28-11-2011, 09:26 AM   #51
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So to recap,

1, Prisons that do not work for those whom the death penalty is assumed for/ invest an recuperating cost and or effort, recocialisation is then
2, Subject to human judgment and error, imperfect at the vital role and fair assessment, always potentially mistaken so
3, The judgments and errors are further impeded by the hydra effect of corruption, how you can determine the difference between the corrupt and committed is open to a not insignificant debate that also includes
4, Human roles used as tools subject to those conditions, debates and imperfections
5, which NO one can, evidently repair?

If those who are able to be fixed,or recuperated are not subject to the death penalty, unless corruption, imperfection or are judged imperfectly, or sentenced imperfectly, or are not convicted at all we are left with...

..people who can not be fixed, who sometimes imperfectly judge fixable people irredeemable, subject to an assumed incurable state by people who can not always be expected to do their jobs well because of these fundamental flaws?

If that is so, then there are far too many broken areas to trust with the weight of life and death. Regardless of what they are assumed to have done, becuase it can just as easily target those who may not deserve it.

Is it really worth killing a percentage of the innocent to dispose of the guilty? Or is it worth preserving the guilty on merit of potential innocence?

I now believe that it would not take a perfect world to reform prisons into production lines. Maybe this is where those Committed Officials can start their actual work? This is an area of practical application, it does not take a leap of imagination to see how it could be instituted.

Also all judgment is just assessment, they still decide who lives and dies, and those people are subject to corruption, bribery, personal vendetta, coercion irrespectively. Perhaps disarming the power to decide death or life would aid their position and relieve the burden of that choice.

Assuming a person is incurable, as may be the human condition, why not use the permanently damaged for labor instead? I had heard of an American prison that devoted 50 cents per day to feeding prisoners only. It was subject to some controversy, but I can not believe that more effective management of prisons is not possible. There are few good examples to provide, but I believe it may be more possible to perfect the containment rather than the treatment. As a last resort.

How does one justify mistakes in the death penalty when applied to innocent people who have been proven so after their execution? This does happen, more often than one might want to believe. Subject to the Hydra metaphor as well in fact.
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Old 24-12-2011, 07:48 AM   #52
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As a diagnosed sociopath, you guys should use the word "psychopath". Sociopaths aren't often crazed and impulsive killers.
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Old 01-04-2012, 03:34 PM   #53
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I guess noone here has taken into consideration the laws of nature. Capital punishment is usually administered in cases of most hideous crimes - mass murders, rapes, pedophile rapists etc. But at the same time, the people who are against it, shout out loud that we should not be worse than animals. And truly, taking the capital punishment off the charts would be below animals. In nature, even amongst the herbivorous animals, the unit that does not kill to survive, but cause of some mutation, or mental illness, is instantly disposed of by the members of it's own kind. I could give you specific examples, but I would diverse.
Point is, that's only natural for crying out loud, to dispose of those who pose threat to society. "Kill only to survive" - that's the basic law. Ones who break it, deserve to die, for they are indeed lower than animals...
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Old 06-04-2012, 04:56 PM   #54
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the only thing i know is, the one who has the right to Judge a persons's death is God... i bet it's even in the Bible...
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Old 06-04-2012, 09:15 PM   #55
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Which is fine and all, if you believe in a god. If you don't, however, then things get a little more complicated.
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Old 10-04-2012, 09:16 AM   #56
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Now pleasae be gentle with the rotten fruit tossing..
But I am pro death penalty.. however, it is very sad that sometimes it is an innocent person that gets judged and killed, while the guilty is still out there commiting more crimes..
This may sound like an impossible idea, however it is an idea I like..
instead of hanging/shooting/stoning/electrcuting/taken down aka put into sleep (yea i know there is some spelling mistakes in there.. big deal.. you get it), we should have an island out in the middle of the ocean where all death penatly criminals get send out.. then they can kill eachother out there is that is what they want.. (and then you can always hope that if someone is found innocent the person will still be alive.. yes.. this idea do not save the innocent from the punishment, but I still like this more than keeping people in a concrete cell untill they can be dragged into the death room)
A weekly surply with variouse food will be send out there and then they must fight over the food themselfs.. Or eat eachtoher if they run out of food..
This may sound like a childs idea, and maybe it is my childish side talking.. but I still like the island idea much better than the concrete cell.. and we dont have to worry about them getting out.. because if they "get out" of the island, there is a billion miles (excageration i know...) to the nearest landmass...
Also, if anyone ever get out and survives and find new land, they may want to try and start a new life.. if not.. well then they will be send right back to the island..
An idea me and some friends has been playing alot around with.. also considering to send pedophiles out on that island, because then they can learn it >.<

And I have never heard of a case where God brought judgement to any wrong do'ers, so I wont be counting on him solving this problem..
Now to bite my tongue so I wont start a ranting about bringing God into a discussion about death penalty..
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Old 13-04-2012, 08:12 PM   #57
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Now pleasae be gentle with the rotten fruit tossing..
But I am pro death penalty.. however, it is very sad that sometimes it is an innocent person that gets judged and killed, while the guilty is still out there commiting more crimes..
This may sound like an impossible idea, however it is an idea I like..
instead of hanging/shooting/stoning/electrcuting/taken down aka put into sleep (yea i know there is some spelling mistakes in there.. big deal.. you get it), we should have an island out in the middle of the ocean where all death penatly criminals get send out.. then they can kill eachother out there is that is what they want.. (and then you can always hope that if someone is found innocent the person will still be alive.. yes.. this idea do not save the innocent from the punishment, but I still like this more than keeping people in a concrete cell untill they can be dragged into the death room)
A weekly surply with variouse food will be send out there and then they must fight over the food themselfs.. Or eat eachtoher if they run out of food..
This may sound like a childs idea, and maybe it is my childish side talking.. but I still like the island idea much better than the concrete cell.. and we dont have to worry about them getting out.. because if they "get out" of the island, there is a billion miles (excageration i know...) to the nearest landmass...
Also, if anyone ever get out and survives and find new land, they may want to try and start a new life.. if not.. well then they will be send right back to the island..
An idea me and some friends has been playing alot around with.. also considering to send pedophiles out on that island, because then they can learn it >.<

And I have never heard of a case where God brought judgement to any wrong do'ers, so I wont be counting on him solving this problem..
Now to bite my tongue so I wont start a ranting about bringing God into a discussion about death penalty..
Nice logic, whats the difference between a concrete cell and an isolated island? More space I assume?

Its simple, you do something wrong, you're punished for it. If you murder some one, you deserve to be killed and so on. While this might sound cruel, I d rather not live in a society with a criminals doing 10 years in prison and getting out again.

The thing is, innocents get mixed up here because of a corrupt and a faulty system, change that, and its quite rare to run into cases like that. While what I just said might be hard to digest, it is pretty much the best solution.
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Old 14-04-2012, 08:22 AM   #58
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Nice logic, whats the difference between a concrete cell and an isolated island? More space I assume?
It was so that they werent in a building close to others.. its not like i want killers to have a pleasent experience.. <_<
And as I said (if you would just read my post, instead of skimming it..) it is a childs thought...


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Its simple, you do something wrong, you're punished for it. If you murder some one, you deserve to be killed and so on. While this might sound cruel, I d rather not live in a society with a criminals doing 10 years in prison and getting out again.
I never said I dont want the murderes to be punished.. This is a reson why I think it is ridiculous that here in Denmark when you are sentenced a lifetime in jail, what it actually means is 14 years... (or is it less... cant remmember >.<)
This is also a reson why I in my childish dream wants all the criminals out on an isolated island.. they wont be letted out again.. they will stay out on that damned island untill their lifes end..

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The thing is, innocents get mixed up here because of a corrupt and a faulty system, change that, and its quite rare to run into cases like that. While what I just said might be hard to digest, it is pretty much the best solution.
I !KNOW! why innocents gets mixed up because of a screwed up system... And good luck in removing all corruption in the world
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I used to be pro Death Penalty. Somewhere between becoming a parent, and having a close family member wrongfully jailed my opinion has changed. Partially anyway. For the most part, I'd like to see the death penalty put down. The fact is there's a lot of space for innocent people to be put to death. Im ok with it in cases of people caught in the act, and certain undeniable cases, but I'd rather they live, than another innocent person be punished for something they didn't do.
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